Dick Koch's convertible

Oh-h-h! Got it!
You have excellent vision, John! I had briefly thought that you were speaking about the lift cylinder housings/rear arm rests, and looking at that picture, I assumed that the top edge of the housing was something else. So yes, one is in place, and where is the other?
Let’s hope the other one is there, as those are uber-rare. He may have to have one fabricated…
Dick is gonna have his hands full with all of us backseat drivers! Should he restore the car with a correct 1959 engine block, correct 4 bbl, etc etc? Or does he do as I did, and make changes as needed, as long as they are easily reversible to a future perfectionist..
So, who’s counting…how many convertibles do we know of?

I questioned the statement that the front valence was the same on all models of 59 Plymouths. I don’t think so! Even tho I can only find one part # in the parts book I believe there are two different valences. I looked at the showcase and noticed that two door and four door hardtops all had the same valence and Fury, Belvedere and Savoy Sedans, 2 dr and 4 dr. looked to be different. I took side by side pictures of the one off my Sport Fury and one off my 4 dr. Belvedere Sedan parts car. Quite a difference. I wonder if the splash pan is also different the one I had was so rusted it got thrown out.
Dick.

My Belvedere convert has the type that is in the gray primer style in the picture Dick is showing. And it was the one that was on my car when I picked up the car up in Montana. My Valance still had a bunch of undercoating still coating a lot of underneath surface area’s that included the fasteners and the upper Gravel guard panel/ And they were all covered with the original undercoating. So I would have to say, that on my Car, I had the more commonly known Valance when it left the factory in Evansville.

Never saw the one on the right before. But I don’t have that may years in the 59 plymouth years to say there was something different to the lower valance styles on different trim levels or plant production. I could see where the low cost Savoy’s may have cut back on costs and offered a lower cost valance,especially on Taxi or Fleet uses. But that is just guestimating on it.

My parts book also only list one part number for this lower valance part. I will have to study some old 59 pictures to pick out something different on the Savoy or other Belvy’s valance variations. :confused:

John Q.

The only valances I’ve ever seen ressemble the primered one in the pix.
I have never owned or stripped a Savoy business sedan, or whatever the lowest version was.
Help us out here, Dick. Which Showcase cars seem to have the smaller valance?
(I looked at Fury and they all look like they wear the big valance)

Dick congratulations!!!

You made a good deal on this car, looks pretty solid and complete. And with the shelves in your garage full of parts you do have almost everything to complete this car. And in case you need something we are there to help out.

I am a bit jealous now as you have more 59’s than we own, so it is time for me to start looking for that Suburban :laughing:

But no kidding, what did you do to be allowed to buy another car? When we were visiting in November your wife was very clear: another car in and are go out

Ron

If you want to make sure the car gets in Florida make sure the truck driver takes it through Arizona and New Mexico! If he will go east on I70 he will not get any further than Denver :laughing:

Thanks Ron, I’m really excited, supposed to ship monday, yea, he might make it past the bone yards in arizona unless he has a buddy looking for 59 Ply parts. You are right about Denver, I can picture John Q. staked out next to the highway waiting to ambush the truck. Check www.cars-on-line.com there is a very nice suburban there at a (I think) reasonable price.
Dick.

No more cars for us, the garage is full and there is no room for extending it :cry: But we are more than happy with our current fleet, we have the largest 59 Plymouth collection East of the Atlantic as far as we know :smiley:

There was only one front valance issued by Mopar in '59, and it was the one shown in grey primer. Replacement were sold in the sixties and early seventies at Western Auto, JC Whitney, and such. Some of these were fiberglass, others stamped steel. These were more plentiful in the northern Midwest and New England, where high road salt usage caused the originals to corrode prematurely. Neither were accurate duplicates of the originals.

—John

I thought that wierd valance come of my 4dr. Belvedere parts car but quess not. Pictures answer the question, the only way that valance could work is with a different splash pan.
Dick.

Darn Right I am setting up a Blockade that will have I-90, I-80, I-70 and I-40 will have numerous check points to navigate around. Opreration “Convert Block” is in full gear!! :laughing:

Naw, I am happy for you Dick! There will be others to snag for me later on. I have an eye on a 58 Plymouth Convert about an hour from me that I will pursue. But will be on the lookout for more 59 converts (SF or Belvy)in the years to come. But if that 60 De Soto is in the way… :stuck_out_tongue:


John Q.

Uh Oh, didn’t ship monday, said truckers transmission broke? supposed to ship Thurs. or Fri. ??

Matthew - Hold on to that steering wheel for me. Can you send a couple of pictures and what you would like to get for it.
Thanks,
Dick.

Hee Hee! A little sand in the Trucks tranny box did the trick, now more time to arrange an ambush… :astonished:

LMAO! :smiley:

OK, here we go. It was loaded on the truck yesterday and Margie, my new friend took some great pictures for me. John Q., the charmer, has her looking for a convt. for him. A lot of the “stuff” in the pictures I have better in my stash. Overall the body except for the drivers floor looks to be in better shape than the Red & White SF I’m restoring now. But getting it up on the lift will tell the true story. So sit back and send me your observations and suggestions, believe me they are quite welcome. One good thing the truck is from florida, hope the drivers in a hurry to get home.
So what chall tink,
Dick.


AAAHHHHH!!!


This is Margie, she teaches Zumba so watch out. What a nice person.

Very nice!!!

You got another thing for the grille logo? This one is bend up good.

Looks like a really good starting point, Dick!!

I see a '57-'58 deluxe horn ring and cap, if you don’t have a need for it, I’ll buy it from you.

—John

Alright!
Pic 1) shows one, maybe two toplift housings…>good news!
4) shows one hood spring, but no worries, Dick has a parts car.
5) shows ONE sunvisor arm…these are cvt-only, hope you find the other one!
:sunglasses: I see not ALL the wiring has been removed
9) Hooray, I see rear seat springs, so where are the front split bench seats? (got a set in the parts car, Dick?)
10) Obvious rust on drivers floor, expect the same on passenger floor (may need to get w/ Big M or Freman’s, or the guy making NEW replacement floors).

Be hopeful that the rockers, trunk wells and trunk floor dodged serious rust, which I think is possible for a cvt, as long as it sits up off the ground and just gets rain or snow…no leaves or pine needles or mouse houses…
Would you agree about this last comment, John Q?, .. your cvt sat out on the range for xxxx years.

Matthew - If you have a spare I could use it.

John - Let me check everything out, maybe we can trade something.

Roger: My parts car is a 4 dr. only seats left are rear. Front seats from a 2 dr sedan should work???

Dick.

Dick,
I think this car is messed up. In order to save you a lot of grief, I will grudgingly take it off your hands. Just re-direct the hauler to Seattle. :smiling_imp:
i would think front seats from a 4 dr sedan would fit, as long as they are split bench. If they are split, and the seatbacks don’t tip forward, there MAY be a chunk of metal blocking the pivot, which is easily removed.

Margie seems like a very friendly, and helpful lady. She’s gonna look for another one for JohnQ?? Cool! So the business will continue on.
Since the former owner is no longer with us, and the widow most likely is not in a mood to chat, do you think Margie could be charmed into telling us of the car’s past history?