# 230 flat head no compression after way long sleep...Cause? **URL:** \ **Category:** Tech Support\ **Created:** [March 4, 2013, 1:08am UTC](https://59plymouth.net/t/230-flat-head-no-compression-after-way-long-sleep-cause/2225 "2013-03-04T01:08:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![big\_m](https://59plymouth.net/user_avatar/59plymouth.net/big_m/32/16_2.png) [@big\_m](https://59plymouth.net/u/big_m)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2013, 4:08pm UTC](https://59plymouth.net/t/230-flat-head-no-compression-after-way-long-sleep-cause/2225/41 "2013-04-09T16:08:17Z")
You should be able to determine the problem once the cover is removed. Inspect the shift forks closely too. —John ---
**Author:** ![rogerh](https://59plymouth.net/user_avatar/59plymouth.net/rogerh/32/9_2.png) [@rogerh](https://59plymouth.net/u/rogerh)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 1:35pm UTC](https://59plymouth.net/t/230-flat-head-no-compression-after-way-long-sleep-cause/2225/42 "2013-04-10T13:35:33Z")
I tried mightily, but I cannot find out the name of the manual transmission in a '59 Plymouth. The A-903 was introduced in 1960. The A-230 came into use in the early 70’s. Borg-Warner t-87 was used in Mopar trucks and some passenger cars of the fifties. ---
**Author:** ![RICKYMOPAR](https://59plymouth.net/user_avatar/59plymouth.net/rickymopar/32/35_2.png) [@RICKYMOPAR](https://59plymouth.net/u/RICKYMOPAR)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 4:41pm UTC](https://59plymouth.net/t/230-flat-head-no-compression-after-way-long-sleep-cause/2225/43 "2013-04-10T16:41:23Z")
I do not think the **NP 230** was used in 1959. I remember them in 1970 and later, it is a really heavy duty three speed. I can see your style transmission in my memory the were used 55 56 57 58 59. Borg Warner? syncro-mesh 2-3. They are easy to work on, hard to find parts. ---
**Author:** ![sallysavoy](https://59plymouth.net/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@sallysavoy](https://59plymouth.net/u/sallysavoy)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 12:03pm UTC](https://59plymouth.net/t/230-flat-head-no-compression-after-way-long-sleep-cause/2225/44 "2013-04-15T12:03:37Z")
Good Morning all, Todays update is as follows.I removed the trans this past weekend and took off the only access cover on the gearbox that is there, which is the side cover where the shift linkage goes thru and has the shift forks attached to. I did find that the pins on the 2nd 3rd syncro that align/hold it together were all broken and some laying down in the bottom of the gearbox. I also found some other metal fragments which i think are the bearing retainer from input bearing which is missing some of its ball bearings, assumeing it should have a full bearing full of balls. Where these balls went is a mystery. However the other issue is trans ID. Now i bought this cd online which is very informative and i now believe i have a somehow older/ original version of the A903 or A250 or A745 because these are the only trans that show the same syncro/part that broke in mine but all the pictures show these trannys with top access covers and that is where the confusion begins. I am going towards a 57,58,59 only trans design because the 56 that is in the yard i go to has a different type 3 speed in it.All opinions and thoughts welcome here. Thanks Mark Hoyt Reading Penna. ---
**Author:** ![Dick\_Koch](https://59plymouth.net/user_avatar/59plymouth.net/dick_koch/32/19_2.png) [@Dick\_Koch](https://59plymouth.net/u/Dick_Koch)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 8:06pm UTC](https://59plymouth.net/t/230-flat-head-no-compression-after-way-long-sleep-cause/2225/45 "2013-04-15T20:06:49Z")
Try John Fowlie at Big M. he is a member of the group. Also Neil Freman for a used Transmission at [www.fremansauto.com](http://www.fremansauto.com). Dick. ---
**Author:** ![rogerh](https://59plymouth.net/user_avatar/59plymouth.net/rogerh/32/9_2.png) [@rogerh](https://59plymouth.net/u/rogerh)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2013, 1:19am UTC](https://59plymouth.net/t/230-flat-head-no-compression-after-way-long-sleep-cause/2225/46 "2013-04-16T01:19:34Z")
If you plan or hope to rebuild it yourself, you will of course haave to correctly identify the make and model. If you want to replace it for another “used” tranny, Big M in California and Freman’s in Montana are two sources. Closer to you is this guy Benny Buckner in West Virginia. If you think you want your current unit rebuilt by others, take it to a transmission shop. If they don’t want to touch it, ask them where you might go to get it repaired. At least maybe they can identify its make and model. ---
**Author:** ![RICKYMOPAR](https://59plymouth.net/user_avatar/59plymouth.net/rickymopar/32/35_2.png) [@RICKYMOPAR](https://59plymouth.net/u/RICKYMOPAR)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2013, 2:16am UTC](https://59plymouth.net/t/230-flat-head-no-compression-after-way-long-sleep-cause/2225/47 "2013-04-16T02:16:14Z")
Mark, **Pictures of the transmission may he** lp. There are a lot of old transmission shops in our area, plus good and **old wrecking yards** , other **parts hoarders**. ---
**Author:** ![sallysavoy](https://59plymouth.net/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@sallysavoy](https://59plymouth.net/u/sallysavoy)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2013, 4:29pm UTC](https://59plymouth.net/t/230-flat-head-no-compression-after-way-long-sleep-cause/2225/48 "2013-04-23T16:29:41Z")
Good Afternoon Gents, Todays update is that i have identified the trans as a WT 243 used 1957-1959.Also called an “early Chrysler 3 speed”. I did find a source for a syncro but he wants $200. for just the syncro and that motivated me to try to do what i do. I made the pins out of tool steel (A-2) and had them heat treated to the same rockwell as the original pins (50-52 rockwell) and will be putting it all back together this weekend i hope, if the clutch search goes well and after the flywheel gets resurfaced.I did learn however for a mere 25 dollar investment that the just older 3 speed trans have the same gear train and the same syncro (1956 back to ?) so that is a possible supply for future but now i have a spare gear train if needed. Transmission Exchange Co. 1803 NE ML King Blvd Portland, OR 97212 800-776-1191 Helped me identify my trans and supplied me with the new input bearing at a real reasonable cost when everywhere else i looked was pricey. Thanks to all that are following this and for the sources i’m getting for parts along the way. Mark Hoyt Reading Penna. ---
**Author:** ![sallysavoy](https://59plymouth.net/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@sallysavoy](https://59plymouth.net/u/sallysavoy)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 11:02am UTC](https://59plymouth.net/t/230-flat-head-no-compression-after-way-long-sleep-cause/2225/49 "2013-04-29T11:02:01Z")
Good Morning all, new problem, does anyone know of a source for clutches beside having them rebuilt? Thanks Mark Hoyt Reading Penna. ---
**Author:** ![Dick\_Koch](https://59plymouth.net/user_avatar/59plymouth.net/dick_koch/32/19_2.png) [@Dick\_Koch](https://59plymouth.net/u/Dick_Koch)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 11:17am UTC](https://59plymouth.net/t/230-flat-head-no-compression-after-way-long-sleep-cause/2225/50 "2013-04-29T11:17:45Z")
I would thing NAPA would be a good source, you can go online with them or any of the major parts houses. I will help with a search also. Dick. ---
**Author:** ![RICKYMOPAR](https://59plymouth.net/user_avatar/59plymouth.net/rickymopar/32/35_2.png) [@RICKYMOPAR](https://59plymouth.net/u/RICKYMOPAR)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2013, 1:31am UTC](https://59plymouth.net/t/230-flat-head-no-compression-after-way-long-sleep-cause/2225/51 "2013-04-30T01:31:38Z")
Mark , **If you are fortunate enough to have someone that actually rebuilds clutches in your area, I would be having it done right now**! I used to have a company here that had an antique clutch table and they really did a great job! they even taught me how to do my own. The trick is to have the parts. and shoe face grinder. the facing on the disc itself is simply riviting on the friction. and shock springs. check or replace. several things not just vehicles use the same disc.I,E. stationary power plants, cranes, in out boxes, power take off units and tractors. Et Cetera… Rick ---
**Author:** ![Dick\_Koch](https://59plymouth.net/user_avatar/59plymouth.net/dick_koch/32/19_2.png) [@Dick\_Koch](https://59plymouth.net/u/Dick_Koch)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2013, 12:13am UTC](https://59plymouth.net/t/230-flat-head-no-compression-after-way-long-sleep-cause/2225/52 "2013-05-01T00:13:54Z")
Mark - There is a clutch plate on ebay right now. 59 Plymouth parts. Take a look. Dick. ---
**Author:** ![Dick\_Koch](https://59plymouth.net/user_avatar/59plymouth.net/dick_koch/32/19_2.png) [@Dick\_Koch](https://59plymouth.net/u/Dick_Koch)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2013, 10:23pm UTC](https://59plymouth.net/t/230-flat-head-no-compression-after-way-long-sleep-cause/2225/53 "2013-05-02T22:23:53Z")
Mark = Try this source for your clutch: Jacksons Oldtime Parts 1-800=333-8059. Dick. ---
**Author:** ![sallysavoy](https://59plymouth.net/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@sallysavoy](https://59plymouth.net/u/sallysavoy)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 1:35pm UTC](https://59plymouth.net/t/230-flat-head-no-compression-after-way-long-sleep-cause/2225/54 "2013-05-13T13:35:37Z")
Good Morning Gents, Todays update is as follows. I was able to source a clutch from H.R. Clutch real close to me in Bensalem Pa. Also I picked up a 56 trans from a guy over in York Pa. and i found the internals were identical.syncro and gear train, good thing too. I spent yesterday putting the gearbox back together and noticed second gear didn’t feel right, suspicion confirmed after I had to remove the gear with some difficulty I found it was gauled up some and i suspect this all stemmed from the initial input shaft bearing retainer failure. Its all back together and I’m hoping there was enough good land left on the shaft where second gear rides to work correctly. But in the interim I am going to source a back up trans. RogerH do you have the contact info for the three sources you mentioned in your previous replies, preferbly the one in W. Virginia as i can drive to him to save on shipping. Thanks to all following and contributing to this post Mark Hoyt Reading Penna. ---
**Author:** ![rogerh](https://59plymouth.net/user_avatar/59plymouth.net/rogerh/32/9_2.png) [@rogerh](https://59plymouth.net/u/rogerh)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 7:22pm UTC](https://59plymouth.net/t/230-flat-head-no-compression-after-way-long-sleep-cause/2225/55 "2013-05-13T19:22:01Z")
Big M (John Fowlie) Williams, CA 530 473-2225 Freman’s Auto, Whitehall, MT 406 287-5436 Benny Buckner, Princeton, W. VA. 304-920-1422 ---
**Author:** ![sallysavoy](https://59plymouth.net/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@sallysavoy](https://59plymouth.net/u/sallysavoy)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 4:47pm UTC](https://59plymouth.net/t/230-flat-head-no-compression-after-way-long-sleep-cause/2225/56 "2013-05-14T16:47:23Z")
Thanks Roger h ---
**Author:** ![sallysavoy](https://59plymouth.net/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@sallysavoy](https://59plymouth.net/u/sallysavoy)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 9:30am UTC](https://59plymouth.net/t/230-flat-head-no-compression-after-way-long-sleep-cause/2225/57 "2013-05-31T09:30:16Z")
SHE"S ALIVE, Good Morning all, The trans repair went well and now she has all three gears. Now to ready her for the road, can’t wait to see how she drives. Thanks for everyones help. Mark Reading Penna. P.S. if anyone is interested i saw a complete 61 dodge seneca in a yard close by complete with 383 and a 3 speed behind it. ---
**Author:** ![Dick\_Koch](https://59plymouth.net/user_avatar/59plymouth.net/dick_koch/32/19_2.png) [@Dick\_Koch](https://59plymouth.net/u/Dick_Koch)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 11:28am UTC](https://59plymouth.net/t/230-flat-head-no-compression-after-way-long-sleep-cause/2225/58 "2013-05-31T11:28:52Z")
Way to go Mark, enjoy that beauty. Dick. ---
**Author:** ![rogerh](https://59plymouth.net/user_avatar/59plymouth.net/rogerh/32/9_2.png) [@rogerh](https://59plymouth.net/u/rogerh)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 1:29pm UTC](https://59plymouth.net/t/230-flat-head-no-compression-after-way-long-sleep-cause/2225/59 "2013-05-31T13:29:44Z")
There has never been a photo of this car posted, am I right? There was a time when Listmembers were encouraged to send in one or more pictures of their car, along with a short story of how and why the car was acquired. A page was then created for each owner. As it happens, life changes for the administrators got in the way, and the practice got shelved. Hopefully, when Dan M. returns to the helm, we will get to see who belongs to this list, and their cars. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![sallysavoy](https://59plymouth.net/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@sallysavoy](https://59plymouth.net/u/sallysavoy)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2013, 6:09pm UTC](https://59plymouth.net/t/230-flat-head-no-compression-after-way-long-sleep-cause/2225/60 "2013-06-06T18:09:52Z")
to all , sorry you’re right I’ll get a good picture and post it but don’t expect a lot cause she is as she was left in the barn, but pretty enough for me. THX Mark rdg pa. [Previous page](https://59plymouth.net/t/230-flat-head-no-compression-after-way-long-sleep-cause/2225.md?page=2) [Next page](https://59plymouth.net/t/230-flat-head-no-compression-after-way-long-sleep-cause/2225.md?page=4)