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Cardboard Headliners for 59 Sport Fury Hdtp

Post by schlaaj » Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:00 am

I am looking to redo the headliner in my 59 Sport Fury and in reading earlier post on this subject the last post on headliners was about 5-8 years ago.
#1: Ceiling insulation - Dick Koch suggested back then using 2 x4 ft suspended ceiling material insulation and glue it to the underside the roof. (One would peal off the white surface first) Well those 2 x 4 ceiling squares are no longer available and I have a had trouble finding some good used pieces. A local company that does vintage interior work suggested using the sound deadener material that is used on flooring under the carpet as ceiling insulator and sound deadener. I am wondering if this is suitable to used for ceiling insulation ? Type adhesive for securing insulation to metal roof
would be 3M - Black (Yellow adhesive is not as good)
#2: How is the center cardboard section secured to the new insulation ? I would think something like Velcro would be used, between the face of the insulation and the back side of the center headline to keep it from sagging but the insulation material is not suitable for sticking Velcro to. I guess
one could stick Velcro to the sound deadener if that is used. I am a bit confused on this issue.
#3: Repainting the headliner. There are a couple of surface scrape marks caused by the sunvisor over the years. I am thinking if I get the three sections out of the car, I might try light sanding and painting all three sections before re-installation. Can these original panels be spray painted or
do I need to replace them. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
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Re: Cardboard Headliners for 59 Sport Fury Hdtp

Post by Faulkner » Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:54 pm

Hi Art, some comments below.
schlaaj wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:00 am
I am looking to redo the headliner in my 59 Sport Fury and in reading earlier post on this subject the last post on headliners was about 5-8 years ago.
#1: Ceiling insulation - Dick Koch suggested back then using 2 x4 ft suspended ceiling material insulation and glue it to the underside the roof. (One would peal off the white surface first) Well those 2 x 4 ceiling squares are no longer available and I have a had trouble finding some good used pieces. A local company that does vintage interior work suggested using the sound deadener material that is used on flooring under the carpet as ceiling insulator and sound deadener. I am wondering if this is suitable to used for ceiling insulation ? Type adhesive for securing insulation to metal roof would be 3M - Black (Yellow adhesive is not as good)
Actually, that was my trick! Home Depot has them: https://www.homedepot.com/p/Armstrong-C ... /203328948

But you might want to think about using Eastwood's X-Mat - others on the Forum have, with success: https://www.eastwood.com/x-mat-sound-de ... gKzHPD_BwE

I used 3M adhesive spray for the ceiling tiles, but X-Mat has it's own adhesive right on the squares - you just peel off the paper backing and stick in place.
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:00 am
#2: How is the center cardboard section secured to the new insulation ? I would think something like Velcro would be used, between the face of the insulation and the back side of the center headline to keep it from sagging but the insulation material is not suitable for sticking Velcro to. I guess one could stick Velcro to the sound deadener if that is used. I am a bit confused on this issue.
The cardboard is held in place with the center strips - it doesn't have to adhere to the insulation. In fact, that would be a problem.
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:00 am
#3: Repainting the headliner. There are a couple of surface scrape marks caused by the sunvisor over the years. I am thinking if I get the three sections out of the car, I might try light sanding and painting all three sections before re-installation. Can these original panels be spray painted or do I need to replace them.
I spray painted mine - but, it's peeling in spots. If I do it over, I will redo with a rubberized paint.
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Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:00 am
Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Art Schlachter
Danville, Ky
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Re: Cardboard Headliners for 59 Sport Fury Hdtp

Post by schlaaj » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:08 am

Thanks for the prompt reply - I will do some checking on that insulation material. Good suggestion on rubberized type paint. I wish I was comfortable
with placing photo's on this site. I see an "image" feature above that that I thought would allow me to go to my photo files and select the photo, but
when click on it the word "image" appears in my message instead of telling me to select from my files. Note: did you see the 1959 Ply Sport Fury on the Hemmings web site being sold by Blackhawk in California ? Asking $100,000 for it. A bit high but a perfect car. Thanks, Art

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Re: Cardboard Headliners for 59 Sport Fury Hdtp

Post by schlaaj » Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:03 pm

In my question #2 regarding what holds the center headliner up against the insulation, the reply was to let the side strips hold it in place. (don't even consider a "velcro" type holding option). The center piece side strips are what is presently holding my headliner up albeit some sagging present. By removing the headliner, installing new insulation and then putting the headliner back, (as it is presently), does nothing toward eliminating the sagging
problem. It seems to me that one would have to do something over-and-above just re-installing the headliner back the way it is now, to eliminate the sagging. I am a retired manufacturing engineer and can't get my arms wrapped around what will change by removing and re-installing my headliner. There's got to be an answer to this someplace and I can't find it. I am 75 years old and maybe Alzhiemers is setting in. Regards to all. Art S.

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Re: Cardboard Headliners for 59 Sport Fury Hdtp

Post by schlaaj » Tue Nov 12, 2019 2:59 pm

I called two different Home Depot stores and they do not handle the Armstrong Fiberglass Ceiling Panels. I gave them Internet #203328948, Model 403A, Store SKU 509748. They could not identify this ceiling panel. So I suspect it is no longer available. I checked with my local Lowe's store also and no luck. I think the manufacturer may have discontinued the Fiberglass type Ceiling Panels in favor of a panel that looks like compressed asbestos materials and that is what everyone is selling today. (It is probably not asbestos material but looks like that type of stuff) I have looked all over for an old building that might have these Fiberglass Ceiling Panels where I could salvage a few panels - but no luck. Over the years I have seen these Fiberglass type panels used everywhere, but today they just don't seem to exist anymore. I wish this world wasn't moving so fast at throwing out the old and bringing in the new - cars included.

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Re: Cardboard Headliners for 59 Sport Fury Hdtp

Post by Faulkner » Tue Nov 12, 2019 9:43 pm

Art, it's a little pricey, but you may want to use Eastwood's X-Mat - Mark Merritt used it in his Fury to great success. Check it out:

viewtopic.php?f=47&t=2209&p=19527#p19527

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Re: Cardboard Headliners for 59 Sport Fury Hdtp

Post by schlaaj » Tue Nov 26, 2019 10:04 pm

The car upholstery people will be starting on fixing my sagging center section on the 59 Sport Fury within the next two weeks. They say they will remove the center piece and glue a stiffener material on the back side to get it back to it's original flat condition. Then they will then repaint before re-installing. I am concerned about the two strips that join the headliner sections together. My existing joining strips look pretty good, but I will caution them to take care in removing them as they may be a little on the brittle side from years of service. Replacement strips (if needed) are not available. Local MOPAR dealership said the headliner joining strips that were once used on the caravans and have been successfully used on the 59 Fury headliners been discontinued for several years now. On The-Forward-Look web site there is a guy who goes by the name "Andy 1974" (under the topic "headliners) who lives in Germany and has made small batches of substitute strips that will work. They are made from Grey PVC and would have to be painted or chromed. I have tried to contact him to see if I could get a pair of these strips. (I would keep a set on the shelf if my existing ones can still be used) He has not responded as of 27 Nov 2019. I will keep my fingers crossed that my old attaching strips are still useable. I am also checking into 3/16" thick - 4ft x 8 ft sheets of white ABS with textured surface on one side in case the rework (re-stiffening) on the center headliner piece doesn't work.

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Re: Cardboard Headliners for 59 Sport Fury Hdtp

Post by Faulkner » Wed Nov 27, 2019 7:51 am

Hi Art, I haven't tried this stuff myself, but I remember Dave Stragand (The Forward Look Network) recommending it. It's chrome foil with an adhesive back.

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Here's their website: https://www.bare-metal.com/index.html

Maybe this would work for your retaining strips?

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Re: Cardboard Headliners for 59 Sport Fury Hdtp

Post by schlaaj » Wed Nov 27, 2019 5:39 pm

Great to know should I obtain a set of the PVC - Grey strips from this guy in Germany. I will keep this in my hip pocket. There are always more ways to accomplish a repair - just have to search out ideas. Sometimes the search can be just as much fun as getting getting and installing the parts.
This web site is a God-send to 59 Plymouth owner's.
Art

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